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Siempre Verde

Information about this lot

There are 2 lots grouped here:
  • Siempre Verde Garden (181 STANTON ST). More details at OASIS.
  • Manhattan block 344, lot 158 (137 ATTORNEY STREET). More details at OASIS.
Known Use: community green space
Address: 181 STANTON ST, Manhattan, 10002
Area: 0.06 acres (2491 square feet)

Political Boundaries

City Council District 1 represented by Margaret S. Chin
Community District Manhattan 3 ( / 212-533-5300 ), district manager: Susan Stetzer
Find all elected officials for this lot at Who Represents Me? NYC

Why is this lot here?

We posted this lot because:

  • The lot is being used as a community green space.
  • Neighbors got access to it with the help of 596 Acres.
  • In MapPLUTO the city lists this lot's landuse as vacant.
  • In MapPLUTO the city lists this lot's building class as vacant.

Government Agency

New York City Department of Parks and Recreation (public)
Contact: GreenThumb Deputy Director Carlos Martinez ((212) 602-5329 /


This land is being stewarded by the following group:, 646-504-6468

News feed

Aug. 25, 2016, 5:03 p.m.
Mara @ 596 Acres uploaded
Here's a document that Siempre Verde created about using organizing tactics to get support for gardens on HPD land to be transferred to NYC Parks Back in December 2015, they succeeded in their goal!
Jan. 25, 2016, 7:25 p.m.
Ilyse said

Hah! The liquor store is actually GONE and the garden lives on!

Jan. 25, 2016, 6:22 p.m.
paula at 596 acres posted
Thank you for the very sweet card!
Thank you for the very sweet card!
Jan. 25, 2016, 6:22 p.m.
paula at 596 acres said

I finally fixed the street view on your lot's page so that it doesn't show you the inside of the liquor store. Now you can see the garden in spring!

Dec. 31, 2015, 10:20 a.m.
Elissa Sampson said

Kudos to 596 Acres for leading the way for New Yorkers to gain access to public land. We, at Siempre Verde Garden, are enormously grateful for 596's ongoing support, not only for us but for the many other NYC gardens that now have a path to maintain their community presence. We also support 596's past and future efforts on behalf of the gardens that did not get recently transferred to Parks.

Dec. 30, 2015, 10:23 p.m.
ilyse kazar said

THIS IS SO EXCITING and so gratifying to hear. Thanks to the strong work of so many garden members, the support of the garden community and the wider community, and especially to Paula and 596 acres, Siempre Verde can move forward into the next season feeling secure and inspire to continue to build upon the physical garden and also build the programming and community connections as a truly public space.

Kudos to all.

Dec. 29, 2015, 9:52 p.m.
paula at 596 acres said

Thanks to amazing organizing by gardeners and supporters, this community space was taken off the list of potential development sites and TRANSFERRED TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TODAY!

Nov. 23, 2015, 10:38 p.m.
paula at 596 acres said

There is a new Land Use & Planning Director for CM Chin: Roxanne Early. She's checking out this page for the history of SVG and hoping to get up to speed on what's next for the garden soon. Give the office a call: 212-788-7259 and ask for Roxanne.

June 27, 2015, 9:40 p.m.
paula at 596 acres said

We just did an oral history project that included Siempre Verde garden. Listen here (lots of voices from the garden):

In 2012, residents of the Lower East Side gained access to two parcels of city-owned vacant land near the corner of Stanton and Attorney Streets and created the Siempre Verde Garden. The parcels are in the inventory of Housing Preservation and Development. The lots had previously been a garden in the 1980s and 1990s. 596 Acres, New York’s community land access advocacy organization, had posted signs on the rusty fences surrounding the lots announcing that the land was publicly owned and that (re)creating the garden was possible. Neighbors who saw the signs connected with one another through 596 Acres and organized to get an interim use license through the New York City Parks Department Green Thumb program. Siempre Verde provides an inclusive recreational open space in an otherwise densely developed area.

The gardeners are in the midst of efforts to make the garden whole by having the City acquire a privately owned lot that divides the two garden parcels. This could happen through a purchase, a condemnation via eminent domain or a donation from the owner of that parcel. The development company that owns that lot is simultaneously campaigning to have the City parcels that the garden is on transferred to itself for new housing construction. The gardeners have so far been successful in preventing City approval of the developer’s plan and instead getting the local Community Board to unanimously request that the garden parcels be transferred to the Parks Department’s jurisdiction, where they will be more likely to be protected by state public trust doctrine. The City has not yet heeded the Community Board’s request; the lots continue to be sites of speculation and insecurity while the garden thrives.

May 13, 2015, 3:49 p.m.
paula uploaded
Letter from Council Member Chin to HPD, urging the transfer of the garden to the Parks Department Thanks for standing for the preservation of precious green space, Council Member Chin!
Nov. 7, 2014, 3:20 p.m.
Yenta said

CB3 (Community Board 3) voted unanimously on October 28th to support a
resolution that the Lower East Side's Siempre Verde Garden not be sold by
HPD to a developer. CB3 asked that it be made a permanent garden and
transferred to City Parks. A thank you to 596 acres and to all those who
helped us at that meeting!

The fight is now entering a new stage. Join us November 13, 6:30 pm at the BRC
Senior Services Center, 30 Delancey Street, New York, NY. We will be
appearing in front of CB3's Park Committee on November 13th to get their
agreement that our Greenthumb license should be transferred to New York
City's Parks Department. Then the even harder part needs to happen:
getting HPD to agree to the transfer to City Parks.

See HPD's response after the October 28th vote:

Oct. 22, 2014, 11:44 a.m.
someone posted
#savesvg campaign to prevent garden from being sold by HPD to developers; join us in tweeting!
Oct. 22, 2014, 11:39 a.m.
someone posted
Manhattan Boro President visiting Siempre Verde Garden's Sukkah children's decorating party on Oct 5, 2014
Oct. 15, 2014, 11:55 a.m.
Yenta said

It's official from the Lower East Side. *CB3 Land Use Committee rejected
HPD's proposal last night to sell Siempre Verde Garden's 2 HPD lots to the
Gottleib / Bender family for development. They also backed our request to
be transferred to Parks Department. Perhaps even more excitingly the
ensuing debate with an HPD representative broached the larger question of
ensuring permanence for Greenthumb Gardens. *

A THANK YOU to all who helped support us (a dozen gardens showed up last
night!). We will keep you up to date as events unfold: we expect more media
coverage this week and will be working with the other community gardens and
partners who helped support us last night to plan on how to go forward. A
big thanks again to 596 Acres, LUNGS, NYCGC, Citizen's Committee and many,
many others including everyone who signed our petition (!,000 people).


Bowerie Boogie

May 28, 2013, 9:19 p.m.
someone posted
May 28, 2013, 9:18 p.m.
someone posted
March 28, 2013, 11:51 a.m.
ilyse said

Announcing Regular Garden Workdays at Siempre Verde!

We will be meeting in the garden on the second and third Sunday of every month from 1pm to 5pm, to keep our progress rolling forward. Planting season is here, this is gonna be fun ...

So ... come by on April 14 and/or April 21, from 1pm to 5pm! (and until further notice, come by on the 2nd & 3rd Sundays of every month!)

March 16, 2013, 6:47 p.m.
ilyse said

Thursday, March 21st at 7pm,
ABC No Rio, 156 Rivington Street

At this meeting the committees we have formed -- Garden Design, Activities, Fundraising, and Administration -- will present their ideas and share their progress made over the past month.

March 9, 2013, 7:57 p.m.
ilyse said


Come help us pick up & spruce up the garden. Spring is almost here!

Feb. 24, 2013, 10:38 a.m.
ilyse said

The next garden meeting will be on March 21 (actually the 2nd day of Spring 2013, I just looked it up), at ABC No Rio again (thanks ABC No Rio!), at 7:00. We will remind y'all again, but you might wanna get it in your calendars now.

Thirteen folks showed up at our Feb. 20 meeting and we have formed committees for Garden Design, Fundraising, Activities and "Sexy Admin" (our way of glamorizing the deskwork!). One member is away at school, and someone has emailed via our website ( whowants to join ... we hope to see all you page followers on March 21!

Feb. 9, 2013, 5:44 a.m.
ilyse said


Since obtaining a GreenThumb license at the end of November, Siempre Verde Garden members have been hauling soil into the garden, writing grant applications, and addressing other issues so we can open the gates in May. We will be hosting our first community-wide meeting on Wednesday, February 20 at 6:30 p.m., at ABC No Rio, 156 Rivington Street, to talk about the upcoming season.

Bring your dreams! Tell your friends! What skills and experience would you like to share in the garden this summer? What kind of activities would you like to see in the garden? This will be a multi-purpose, multi-cultural, multi-generational green space serving the heart of the Lower East Side -- be a part of making this land "Siempre Verde"!

There will be many ways to participate, not just physical labor, so everyone truly has a place in our membership regardless of age or physical ability. If you are interested in joining us but can't make it to this meeting, please let us know

Dec. 13, 2012, 8:20 a.m.
ilyse said

MORE COWBELL. I mean more decorations. We got a start on this project last Sunday but it was raining.

So this Saturday, December 15 from noon to 3, we'll be at it again. We have some supplies for making funky-but-pretty tree decorations from salvaged and donated materials. (Thank you, streets of NY, and garden members!) But if you have any materials or decorations you'd like to contribute to dressing up Siempre Verde Garden, bring 'em on!

And the KIDS DECORATION-MAKING WORKSHOP begins at 1:00. Bring kids!! We have child-safe scissors, and they will make awesome shiny decorations for the garden, and can make one or more to bring home, too.

For info write to or call me at 347-504-0665

Dec. 5, 2012, 8:26 p.m.
ilyse said

some of us will be meeting on Saturday Dec. 8 2012 to clean up the garden. We will be picking up litter, filling in rat holes, and putting together some table surfaces for the Holiday Decorating event on Sunday. If you can come by to help clean up on Saturday, we'll be there starting at 10, probably for a couple of hours. And don't forget to bring family, friends and - if you have any - old decorations (of any denomination) you can donate on Sunday beginning around noon. The children's workshop for making decorations will begin at 1.

Dec. 4, 2012, 11:26 a.m.
ilyse the scatter-brain said

I'M SO SORRY. The date for the decorating is Sunday, December 9.

My hands are dyslexic sometimes. December 9. See note above for details.

Dec. 4, 2012, 11:01 a.m.
ilyse said

COME OUT ON SUNDAY (December 3, 2012) TO GATHER & DECORATE THE GARDEN! Bring friends & neighbors! Bring kids! Starting around noon.

We will be getting inventive with our trees and fences, dressing things up for holiday cheer and drawing the neighborhood's attention to the garden, keeping it open for a few hours.

There will also be a decorating workshop for children (of any age!!) from 1:00 to 2:00 (or later) ... help use up a couple rolls of shiny silver mylar plastic donated to us by the Streets of New York City!

Dec. 4, 2012, 10:31 a.m.
ilyse said

Siempre Verde Garden has hosted two groups of visiting friends in two days ..

On Sunday Dec. 2 '12, we were one of the stops along the "Alternatives to Climate Change" bike ride put together by Time's Up and Green Map System, and we talked about all the ways a garden helps promote Earth's health.

On Monday, Dec. 3 '12, Mariana Mogilevich, an urban historian teaching a course on the design and politics of public space in NYC at NYU, brought her class out on a walk from Cooper Square to Siempre Verde, where we stopped for a good while and talked about Lower East Side garden history, the process we went through to obtain a Green Thumb license for our garden, and our hopes and dreams for what we will do with the garden.

It's so wonderful to see our garden serve as a learning resource and platform for discussion!!

Nov. 15, 2012, 4:47 a.m.
ilyse kazar said

WE HAVE A LICENSE! We have been approved by HPD for a Green Thumb License, making it the very first Manhattan garden in the 596 Acres family. Next we will need to solve some padlock issues & then will be inviting the whole community to a meeting in the garden to dream and scheme and plan together. We can't wait to get Siempre Verde cleaned up and transformed into a beautiful green and cultural resource!

Keep an eye on this page and on the lots, and join us!

Oct. 26, 2012, 12:33 p.m.
ilyse said

Stanton St side looking good in those new pics. when was that?

Oct. 26, 2012, 12:12 p.m.
Travis said

Great job and and congratulations. I wasn't able to make the CB3 meetings but was at the initial cleanup and walk by and peek at the progress regularly from the street. I am so happy to see the progress being made - thanks to everyone for your hard work.

Oct. 26, 2012, 11:46 a.m.
someone posted
Oct. 24, 2012, 10:05 a.m.
Jared Williams said

Proud to say that last night we got a unanimous vote of support from the Community Board for our interim gardens at SIEMPRE VERDE! Five speakers were heard, outlining our mission and vision for the space, and the audience was very enthusiastic about the cause. After a unanimous decision by the board members, an amendment was made to be sure that BOTH lots of 181 Stanton and 137 Attorney were to be included in the decision. We will be given a letter of support from the community board and will be the last piece of our application for Green Thumb! We are all very happy to be finally moving forward and cant wait to further develop our lovely ideas into a collaborative community garden! More updates coming soon!!

Oct. 24, 2012, 9:57 a.m.
MJ King said

Good turn out last pm at CB3. Any word on 'next steps'? Thanks to all who spoke on behalf of protecting NYC green space and the 181 interim garden.

Oct. 12, 2012, 12:20 a.m.
Rebecca said

Thank you so much those who rocked the Community Board!

Oct. 12, 2012, 12:19 a.m.
Claire said

thank you everybody for there support. this amazing news, All of hard work has paid off. But there is still so much more to do! this Tuesday the 23rd there will be a final vote. pls come and support more info to follow

Oct. 11, 2012, 9:04 p.m.
ilyse kazar said

IT LOOKS LIKE 596 ACRES IS VERY LIKELY TO ADD 2,602 Sq. ft to that acreage!

Tonight, in a unanimous vote, the Parks Committee of Manhattan Community Board 3 will forward to the full Board their support of our interim Green Thumb lease to garden on these two lots! Things went so well they interrupted our presentation to call the vote.

The full Board will take their vote on Tuesday October 23, mark your calendars for that evening.

Loisaida Rocks! 596 Acres Rocks!

¡¡¡ S-I-E-M-P-R-E V-E-R-D-E !!!

Oct. 11, 2012, 8:56 a.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

Yhe Siempre Verde Garden will be making its presentation to the Community Board tonight at 6:30pm at the BRC Senior Center on Delancey Street between Chrystie & Forsyth Streets. Come out and support!

Oct. 7, 2012, 2:14 p.m.
elmer said

Siempre Verde was originally on Clinton St. between Stanton and Houston. When her garden lot was developed she was relocated to these lots.

Oct. 7, 2012, 1:33 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

In the mid-1980s, a woman named Cecllia lived at 179 Stanton Street, in a older tenement back building. Like many older Latino residents in the neighborhood, she was concerned with having three small and desolate empty lots next to her building. Over 25 years ago, she started Siempre Verde, a garden which used the two HPD lots and had obtained permission to use the privately owned Gottleib lot in between them as well. Siempre Verde was listed on 1980s and 1990s garden maps of the neighborhood. In the 1990s, other residents of her building planted the two large trees that shade these lots today.

Cecilia has since passed away but residents of her building and other nearby buildings including those that adjoin the lots and their neighbors are the ones organizing today and working through the process of getting a Green thumb license for Siempre Verde as an inclusive neighborhood green space.

Oct. 4, 2012, 10:38 a.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

A sukkah!

Oct. 3, 2012, 10:14 a.m.
ilyse kazar said


"Siempre Verde"

Yenta found an old garden map showing a garden of that name existed years back at or near our lots.

At a working committee meeting last night we unanimously loved the name because it represents not only the idea of enduring plants and greenspace, but also speaks to the type of connections we would like to build between the community's elders and youth, a "pass it forward" transmission of our connection to the land and our community spirit.

Sept. 20, 2012, 12:33 p.m.
someone posted
Sept. 20, 2012, 12:30 p.m.
someone posted
Sept. 20, 2012, 12:27 p.m.
Claire said

I'm delighted with the pre approved green thumb licence. Last nite we got a bunch of lads to help to transport soil. I even pulled lads that were having pints at the local to help!!! I want Thank Paula & MVG for this soil but we do need a tone more. So if anyone knows of donated soil we have a group who are ready tonite to transport it.
Here are some pics of last nite good deed.

Sept. 20, 2012, 8:13 a.m.
ilyse kazar said

FANTASTIC NEWS came in yesterday!! HPD has granted pre-clearance for the group to file a single Green Thumb application to garden on both of these parcels of public land!

This is very exciting -- we have been talking about a variety of uses for the land, including some unique activities for gardens in this area. We will be setting our dreams to paper when we put together our Green Thumb garden proposal for the lots, as the next step in becoming legally operated and licensed by HPD to be at the site.

We are much closer to making those dreams become a reality. The group that has coalesced around these parcels is very strong, and there is plenty of room for more support and involvement from anyone who wishes to join the effort. So ... watch this page!

Aug. 29, 2012, 10:07 p.m.
Wendy said

this looks interesting - link below

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Aug. 27, 2012, 3:17 p.m.
Wendy said

Green Thumb's fall guide could be very helpful!

Does your garden need: Canning Supplies, Row Cover, Hoop Wire, Bulbs? Download the Fall Program Guide to find how you can get them for your garden group!

Aug. 23, 2012, 4:53 p.m.
Wendy said

wonderful VIllager article by Jefferson Siegel - will be in print tomorrow.

Aug. 22, 2012, 1:58 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

A wonderful video by Times Up!

Aug. 21, 2012, 10:05 p.m.
Wendy said

hey, there's an exciting New York Times article by Colin Moynihan here:

Let's use the links at the top to share via social media, etc. wonderful and more to come..

Aug. 19, 2012, 5:33 p.m.
ilyse said

by the way the Lo-Down article has been corrected now.

Aug. 19, 2012, 5:26 p.m.
ilyse said

apologies to everyone for my being a no-show today. The composting center on Gov Island was understaffed so i was handling everything from turning a compost pile to walking the goats to greeting the public, and I ended up staying later than planned ... unlike most other people my best availability is during the week! How did it go? Please let me know how I might be able to help ... kazarnyc -a-t- gmail -d-o-t- com

Aug. 19, 2012, 4:38 a.m.
ilyse said

while it's nice to get press, that LoDown article has a gross inaccuracy in that it says the Gottlieb estate owns both Attorney Street lots. Further, IMO the article seems to imply that the sale is a done deal, which is far from the truth.

I have posted a correction comment which awaits moderation:

"CORRECTION TO ARTICLE: Only the lot at 139 Attorney Street is owned by Gottlieb heirs. It is less than 19 feet wide and therefore not viable for development purposes. NYC HPD owns 137 Attorney as well as 181 Stanton, together comprising approximately 2/3 of the land on which the developer wishes to build.

You can verify this on the city's "OASIS" map for the property at :

This is an important point -- the Gottlieb estate owns a piece of land purchased years ago on speculation, that is fairly useless for residential development. They have done nothing to improve it nor to put it to any good use. On the other hand, locals have planted now-grown trees and have been gardening the lots.

Therefore lot organizers are not reclaiming the land, they are maintaining the land as they have been doing. And just to be clear, no property transfer of the public land has occurred."

Aug. 17, 2012, 1:53 p.m.
Wendy said

Back in 2006, when a group of us developed scenarios for the transformation of these lots, we came up with these talking points as we planned to ask for the lots to be donated and the resulting community space to be named the Big G or Gottlieb Green - verbatim:

Since the 80's, the Gottliebs have not gotten anything for Block 344, Lot 157 except taxes and fines. Donating it now would yield them:

fair market value tax deduction (all at once or annually, if leased for 20 -100 years)

no more taxes, fines or insurance to pay

a great legacy to the community that bears their family moniker

good press, good will and increased quality of life

potential to raise value of their other holdings in the area

a solid contribution to sustainability, putting them in a leadership role with developers like the Durst Organization

Aug. 17, 2012, 1:40 p.m.
someone posted
Aug. 17, 2012, 1:29 p.m.
Claire said

Yes I agree here are few pics of progress so far. The 595 posters have greatly helped, see pictures attached. This in is not an overnight response, For years the locals have been gardening in these lots and some of tree planted there are now over 6 stories tall. Locals have used this space to showcase art exhibits from” project for empty space” Lower east side is a hugely diverse neighborhood that needs green space.

Aug. 17, 2012, 9:58 a.m.
Yenta said

For those reading this for the first time, it is worth noting that this is a good case of prior local efforts to green these eyesore lots over many years coming together, with support by gardeners, 596, and other organizations.

Aug. 17, 2012, 9:54 a.m.
someone posted
'L' shape footprint up for development. Image taken from inside the lots showing partial view. The 2 lots considered for garden use on attorney are long and narrow. The city recently approved the huge development on Delancey Street. Leaving smaller parcels in the neighborhood alone for green space would be nice!
Aug. 17, 2012, 9:49 a.m.
Stanton Street said

oops - aerial view

Aug. 17, 2012, 9:38 a.m.
Stanton Street said

Here are the lots from an aerial view.

Aug. 17, 2012, 9:35 a.m.
someone posted
Here are the 3 lots that will developers want to built on.
Aug. 14, 2012, 7 p.m.
Ilyse Kazar said

Outcome of contact with Susan Stetzer at CB3: The Board does not do re-votes and therefore our proposal will not be included on upcoming agendas. However, perhaps we can file to become a temporary garden via Green Thumb, and we should definitely follow CB3 agendas closely because while the development proposal has been given the nod the process is hardly complete yet. There will be further hearings and we may then have a chance to float our alternate proposal to use the land for community enrichment.

Aug. 14, 2012, 11:02 a.m.
Ilyse Kazar said

thanks, Claire, for the clarification re Brooke's role. Does anyone else wish to step up as key organizer?

Re DSNY, as far as I know things are already arranged, no worries.

Re CB3, I went into their office yesterday and learned that the September Land Use agenda will be overwhelmed by a very big issue that is already on the Calendar. We are working on a later date ... more info soon.

Aug. 14, 2012, 10:32 a.m.
Claire said

HI Ilyse,
Brooke Berry put her name as organizer by accident she only meant to be a watcher, not sure if this can be corrected. May I ask did you go to the CB3 and sign us up for the Land Use agenda for September? Pls let me know if i need to follow up or do anything.
As far as I know no arrangements have been made with Sanitation. Is this a must ? Do we need garbage pick? I know they come on Sunday night or early Sunday morning? would that work instead?

Aug. 12, 2012, 8:55 p.m.
Ilyse Kazar said

Sorry for 3 notes in 1 day, I don't mean to spam you guys. But I'm wondering whether we may need to make arrangements with Sanitation for trash removal? Anyone know?

Aug. 12, 2012, 8:34 p.m.
Ilyse Kazar said

Does anyone know Brooke Berry, who entered their name as the organizer of the lot? I don't see any followup posts by that individual, unless they have been posted using a different nickname. Just curious.

Aug. 12, 2012, 7:10 p.m.
Ilyse Kazar said

I will head over to CB3 tomorrow to get us on the Land Use agenda for September. Will report back. If there are any details I should know regarding prior interactions with CB3, please fill me in here or via email kazarnyc at gmail ... or call me at 347-504-0665

Aug. 7, 2012, 2:06 p.m.
Yente said

Hi, left a voice mail for Edie Jones. Noted that the recording said to call the. Boro manager. So am asking should we do that instead?

Also for CB3, the decision on the liasion should happen quickly. I've laid the ground so that the Land Use committee will be expecting us in Sept and the date has to now be set with Susan Stetzer, CB3 manager.

Then those of us interested in that aspect can start working on the variety of testimony, including neighbors, architects, gardenets, etc.

Aug. 7, 2012, 2:04 p.m.
Yente said

Hi, left a voice mail for Edie Jones. Noted that the recording said to call the. Boro manager. So am asking should we do that instead?

Also for CB3, the decision on the liasion should happen quickly. I've laid the ground so that the Land Use committee will be expecting us in Sept and the date has to now be set with Susan Stetzer, CB3 manager.

Then those of us interested in that aspect can start working on the variety of testimony, including neighbors, architects, gardenets, etc.

Aug. 7, 2012, 1:26 p.m.
claire said

I have also left a VM with Edie Stone at Parks & Recreation @ 212 788 8075.

Aug. 7, 2012, 12:56 p.m.
Claire said

To the artists on 195 Stanton, Ilyse & Eric,
Thank you all for contacting us. We are super happy to have your support for this lot. On August 19th we want to hear your ideas on this space could use for the community in positive manner. Bearing in mind we really want to keep the trees!!
Bring trash bags, your garden tools or plants or Wear your gardening gloves and boots.
Bring ideas! Bring frinds!!!
see you on the Aug 19th at 1pm

Aug. 7, 2012, 12:55 p.m.
Claire said

To the artists on 195 Stanton, Ilyse & Eric,
Thank you all for contacting us. We are super happy to have your support for this lot. On August 19th we want to hear your ideas on this space could use for the community in positive manner. Bearing in mind we really want to keep the trees!!
Bring trash bags, your garden tools or plants or Wear your gardening gloves and boots.
Bring ideas! Bring frinds!!!
see you on the Aug 19th at 1pm

Aug. 7, 2012, 9:56 a.m.
Ilyse Kazar said

Eric, your project sounds great, I will check out the web site.

All: I live a short block from CB 3 offices and have made contact recently with Susan Stetzer, the district manager (about some business in our rent stablized building). Just to say perhaps I could serve as CB 3 liaison. However I saw a note to John asking if his building could call CB 3, so I simply await any request/instructions re what the group needs, don't want to confuse matters if someone else is already on it. Feel free to email me if that's best: kazarnyc at gmail

Aug. 7, 2012, 9:41 a.m.
Eric Ho said

We are really looking forward to the event on Aug 19 and get to meet you all.

We are an initiative called "Made in Lower East Side" to support residents, community and different stakeholders to utilize vacant storefronts and lots. I myself is an architect and was joined by a team of designers, film-makers, artists, service designers, entrepreneurs and would like to experiment ways to activate the 212 vacant lots and stores in LES with different civic programs. Our first 6 months of the project is dedicated to listening and would love to continue the dialogue to see how we can help you realize what you envision the vacant lot to be.

Aug. 7, 2012, 9:08 a.m.
Ilyse Kazar said

Hi all -- just a note of introduction .. I have been an E. Vill. resident since 1977, and after raising 2 daughters to adulthood, I am almost finished earning a late-life degree (my first B.A.!) in Social Change. My focus is on the synapse between online and offline communities, and what I call "bubble up change", i.e., citizens creating change in "boots on the ground" style. (So 596 Acres is right up my alley!)

I would like to be part of this project. On Aug 19 I am committed to do a shift at the Earth Matter compost learning center on Governors Island but will try to kick off early to come by and help.

Aug. 6, 2012, 11:22 p.m.
Yenta said

I think that settles the question of whether we need to go to the Community Board. The combination of what happened in April on a preliminary vote and the gardening will force the issue. In effect, we need to be on the September agenda.

John let us know if your building is willing to make the call to CB3 since the Land Committee will be expecting it.

Doing a GreenThumb proposal as Paula says is a whole nine yards, and we need not only to have CB3 support but we need also need to pull that particular process together if paperwork is to be filed and support obtained.

Flyers can be left at the Shul mailbox outside in a plastic bag clearly labeled with my name. TU

Aug. 6, 2012, 9:46 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

GreenThumb is the city agency through which HPD licenses land for interim garden use. Edie Stone is the director of that agency. You should call and give her a heads up so that your proposal is expected. (212) 788-8070.

To submit a proposal for GreenThumb to consider and present to HPD, keep in mind that you will need to get the support of the Community board.

There is no formal application FORM. GreenThumb & the Department of Housing Preservation and Development will need the following documents from you:

-- a proposal for use of the site, with a proposed name for the project
-- a letter of support from the community board for both your group and a community project on the site
-- the names and full contact information of two main contacts
-- the names and full contact information of 10 volunteers who live in the community district
-- a letter from 596 Acres in support of the group

Aug. 6, 2012, 9:44 p.m.
someone posted
Hi All pls see attached final flyer. HI Elissa, May I have my friend leave a bunch address to you at the Shul tmr? Pls feel to print pls note you can set up hte printer to print 4 per a letter size page. HI John pls have a look at the flyer and make sure all good. Thanks Calire
Aug. 6, 2012, 8:24 p.m.
Wendy said

interesting that even if you type the 'captcha' incorrectly, it seems to post your note.

I wanted to add this too -

Aug. 6, 2012, 8:21 p.m.
Wendy said

At Parks, its Edie Stone, not Jones, and I am wondering if anyone has gotten thru to her yet, and her response?

Did Grow NYC reply? Thanks for letting us know.

Aug. 6, 2012, 8:20 p.m.
Wendy said

At Parks, its Edie Stone, not Jones, and I am wondering if anyone has gotten thru to her yet, and her response?

Did Grow NYC reply? Thanks for letting me know.

Aug. 6, 2012, 7:58 p.m.
Claire said

HI There
Thank you for contacting us. Yes we would very much would appreciated your support & involvement . On August 19th we are having a garden clean up day from noon to approx 4pm . On this day we also want to spread the word about these lots and how important it is for the community to have as green & public space.

In order for this space to have a voice we need as many people as possible to call Parks & Recreation at 212 788 8075 requesting these lot to be converted to a garden space.

For Garden clean up day Pls feel free to help and bring helpers, it maybe wised to wear wellies and feel free to bring trash bags, gloves shovels and garden utensils you may have of use. look forward to seeing you
Pls let us know if you have nay questions

Aug. 5, 2012, 3:53 p.m.
Jared+Lala said

We are 2 residents in the 195 Stanton Building.. We are artists with a common goal in sustainability and design. We would like to get involved with the development of this space. Here is our email: Let us know how we can help make this into a better space for the community!

Aug. 4, 2012, 9:48 p.m.
Yenta said

Got a call back from HPD telling me to call Parks & Recreation and giving me Edie Jone's name.

Will try on Monday calling the number they gave: 212 788 8075.

Aug. 3, 2012, 1:22 p.m.
Wendy said

yeah! thanks for merging these Eric.

Is there any update on HPD/Edie Stone calls, etc.

Is there more planning for the 19th underway? Thanks for filling us in. best Wendy

Aug. 3, 2012, 12:46 p.m.
eric (596 acres) said

Merged the two lots here.

July 26, 2012, 5:38 p.m.
c said

pls note Luis pico called the HPD and left a VM for project manger 5.30pm date july 26 2012

July 26, 2012, 1:47 p.m.
Yenta said

All, spoke to Mirriam Gonzalez at HPD today 212 863-6555, who said that something had come in on the lots yesterday; told her to put me on hold while she looked it up. She then said she needs to do some research and will get back to me re 137 Attorney and 181 Stanton, Block 344, block 344 lots 153 and 158. She is in the Planning Unit for Manhattan; Charlie Marcus is the planning manager for Operations. Ethel Collins is Mirriam's manager. I asked to talk to someone about an interim use.

Since I stated that the lots are dirty and have garbage, apparently this generates a process in which meantime, she will ask her Property Management team clean up the lot and deal with rodents. She will ask them for a timeframe for such action.

July 24, 2012, 12:23 p.m.
Yenta said

See EV Grieve about Gottleib heirs:

So it might be good for someone to post on her blog this one. The other option is to quietly contact her to explain the circumstances. What do people prefer

Also would grape leaf vines work on the fence instead of morning glories?

July 23, 2012, 4:36 p.m.
wendy said

Tools -

I think a few for digging and spreading, sweeping, etc will be useful but really it all depends on what the day's goals are - we can ask for soil, plants etc. But i dont think raised beds are so likely in mid-Aug, but
maybe the adjacent residents who know the soil etc can do some thinking on site about tools, other needs. best wendy

July 23, 2012, 4:24 p.m.
Claire said

i have just called 212 863 06800 and left a VM with a guy called Charlie Marcus

July 23, 2012, 4:17 p.m.
Elissa said


Can people confirm what is the best # to call for HPD to use for block 344 lots 153 and 158. We need to get these calls in fast.

Here's the script URL:

July 23, 2012, 2:42 p.m.
Claire said

HI Wendy,
I can fill it out the form but i really don't know how much SPADING FORK, TROWEL- HAND etc we will need.

July 23, 2012, 2:38 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

Here's the developers plan:

If you have other ideas, call HPD and share them!

July 23, 2012, 2:37 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

Here's the developers plan:

If you have other ideas, call HPD and share them!

July 23, 2012, 12:44 p.m.
Wendy said

I tried calling to reserve Grow Truck but no answer and no machine.

There is a form to fill in and the program is described here:

here is the form, which needs to go in at least 2 weeks ahead

  • I think it best that the coordinator for this project fill it in - who can volunteer for this?

thanks! Wendy

July 18, 2012, 5:21 p.m.
Claire said

Does this mean there is no way it can be used as an interim garden or its much worse than that? and are there other options we can peruse?

July 18, 2012, 4:58 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

We got this note today:
"I called HPD the number listed on the sign an was informed that the lots i inquired about were not available for community gardens (block 344 lots 153 and 158) that they were only for housing development."

July 18, 2012, 4:58 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

We got this note today: "I called HPD the number listed on the sign an was informed that the lots i inquired about were not available for community gardens (block 344 lots 153 and 158) that they were only for housing development."

July 16, 2012, 4:17 p.m.
Stanton Street Shul said

Spoken to Claire and have confirmed that everyone is good with a meeting at Stanton Street Shul, 180 Stanton, at 8 8:30 pm, this Wednesday. Looking forward to meeting everyone.

July 16, 2012, 1:55 p.m.
Claire said

HI Elissa,
Thank you for the contact info I have called but i cannot leave VM cause there VM is full. I have sent thema txt witht he requested meeting time and date but no answer yet. May I ask you did you receive an answer from them?

July 13, 2012, 6:43 p.m.
Elissa said

Stanton St Shul, 180 Stanton
Cell 917 523 8504

July 13, 2012, 3:04 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

There's a meeting in the works of folks interested in this and the adjacent lot on Wednesday, July 18 at 8:30 pm. See notes here:

July 13, 2012, 1:23 p.m.
Claire said

Thank you Elissa... Pls advise the Shul Contact name and a Phone # So I may follow up accordingly.

July 13, 2012, 12:56 p.m.
Wendy said

830PM on Weds July 18, thanks!

July 12, 2012, 6 p.m.
eric (596 acres) said

We got this note from Elissa:

"I will need to contact the Board to let them them know that I'm seeking approval to hold the meeting, so it would be helpful to know what time. I will agree to be the responsible party to open and lockup, etc..

What time do you want me to request the meeting be held? Also Shul Rules: We don't allow people to bring food into a shul (they can bring juice or water) since we are careful about keeping kosher. Also no smoking is allowed. Lastly, it's clean-up before we go if we serve any food from the Shul."

July 12, 2012, 5:37 p.m.
Claire said

Can we all meet this Wednesday at Stanton Street Shul which is across from block 344, lot 153, at 8.30 pm? Pls advise who the contact at Stanton Street Shul to set up this meeting request? Is it Elissa? Wendy or Paula do you Know? Pls advise with thanks

July 12, 2012, 4:43 p.m.
eric (596 acres) said

Wendy: no, we don't combine lots yet, but we plan on doing that soon. For now people have been picking a lot and rallying around that one.

July 12, 2012, 4:10 p.m.
claire said

Thank you Wendy.... I'm quite sure we will have approach both of them independent of each other however I thought it best all the info together at 1st and discuss the options shortly. I'm available this Wednesday evening. I will send a meeting request shortly.

July 11, 2012, 10:52 p.m.
Paula at 596 Acres said

We got a note about this lot today --

"Am from the Stanton Street Shul which is across from block 344, lot 153. We have a community space need inasmuch as we need to have a succah (tabernacles booth) during the fall for 8 days and our tenement size shul does not have the space for one. We would potentially welcome a community facility, particularly one that would allow us to use the lot during the holiday of Succas.

If there is a meeting about the lot, could you let us know? We are right across the street from it so this may be a win-win for the neighborhood in terms of space. We also occasionally show art in the building and use it for community events. It is on the National Register of Buildings of Historic Significance."

The writer is watching the lot. If you'd like to get in touch, write your note here!

May 23, 2012, 6:44 p.m.
Oksana said

This lot is owned by HPD. Visit to view any open Request for Proposals (RFPs) for the lot.