Information about this lot
Queens block 15834, lot 38 (363 BEACH 43 STREET). More details at OASIS.
Queens block 15834, lot 42 (357 BEACH 43 STREET). More details at OASIS.
Why is this lot here?
We think this lot is vacant because:
Housing Preservation and Development is not granting interim licenses now. The only way to have the community access this lot is by getting it transferred to another agency. Look below for Pathways that will guide you.
Urban RenewalThese lots are part of the Edgemere urban renewal plan.
You are all welcome to come and tour the Block/ Lots with Ms. Reyes [Senior Outreach Coordinator of NYC GreenThumb], Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 11 am at
480 Beach 43rd Street Far Rockaway, NY 11692 Block/ Lot 15960/ 41,43,46,48,49
" on Queens block 15960, lots 41, 43, 46, 48, 49. View it at http://livinglotsnyc.org/lot/59126/
lot page for the site that this group is now focusing on transforming: https://livinglotsnyc.org/lot/59126/
As Alexis described earlier this month, you might be able to be part of a group that proposes a community land trust (CLT) for this land! The City is inviting expressions of interest for CLTs focused on housing (see here: http://www1.nyc.gov/site/hpd/developers/request-for-proposals/CLT-RFEI.page). By putting land into community ownership, a CLT can ensure community control and provide truly affordable housing and other spaces. It is an alternative to the city selling our land to a distant housing developer who might not care about how long the housing is affordable or for whom! If all City-owned land went into CLTs, our public land would be owned and governed by neighbors and therefore continue to serve local public interests for the long haul.
Your lot is fair game to be part of this. Want to come to a meeting next Thursday, Feb 2 at 6pm where you could meet potential partners to work on a response to the City with, like mission-driven developers?
WHEN: Thursday, Feb 2, 6pm to 8:30pm
WHERE: Community Development Project, Urban Justice Center, 123 William St, Manhattan, 16th floor
RSVP: email@example.com, subject "CLT WORKSHOP"
QUESTIONS: Paula Z. Segal, firstname.lastname@example.org, 646.459.3067
DINNER: YES! We will eat together.
We will build on organizing that led the City to request responses for CLTs in the first place!
Happy New Year's too everyone. Housing Preservation and Development( HPD) wants to put affordable housing on this Block, Lot! We the residents have to figure out how to build housing with a developer who will respect us and our needs as a community of color. HPD has given us the options to obtain Block, lot 15960 41,43, 46,48,49 the address is 485 Beach 43rd street! I would like everyone to have a wonderful New Year's and may it be healthy and prosperous.
Attention ECCG garden members,we have been bless by HPD with BLOCKS, LOTS 15960, 41,43, 46, 48 and 49 instead of this BLOCK , LOTS. I know that this news may came as a real disappointment to the church and community residents. However, HPD has planned for this BLOCK, LOTs to be used as a housing site for affordable housing.
Full Gospel Tabernalce Church as made it very clear that they withdrawn their support from the garden. I told Full Gospel Tabernalce that they should look into doing housing with a developer.
Mr. Goldberg from P.S. 105 would stay like to be apart of the garden .
I need new blue prints for the new garden since the kids in that area would like a park. I need the park to be incorporated into the old design plans which are located on this page.
Thank you for all of your help in the process for ECCG
In the Draft Edgemere Neighborhood Plan, this is a housing site. Although construction is likely years away, Housing Preservation and Development plans to hold on to the land.
The plan includes "at least two new community gardens" but does not indicate where they will be.
They are also exploring the creation of a Community Land Trust for housing in this neighborhood and it seems that whatever is built here in the future could be included.
Hear about HPD's Draft Plan on Saturday, September 24, 11am to 2pm at the 41St Cornerstone Community Center (426 Beach 40th Street). This will be the last community workshop. The draft plan will be presented then.
I will not give up until there is a Tea /Food Sovereignty Garden!
My condolences to Pastor Vega and her family for losing her husband. I hope that you and your family are bless and remain strong.
God bless you Pastor
I will not give up until there is a Tea /Food Sovereignty Garden!
My condolences to Pastor Vega and her family for losing her husband. I hope that you and your family are bless and remain strong.
God bless you Pastor
Here is your next chance to learn about New York City’s Edgemere Neighborhood Plan. You are invited to the Edgemere Organizing Team meeting on Tuesday, July 12 from 6:30-8:00pm at the Beach 41st Cornerstone Community Center at 426 Beach 40th Street. Housing Preservation and Development (HPD) plans to give updates about the planning process and share the Draft Neighborhood Plan and preview some featured projects. We know that gardening and greening projects are a prioritiy, but this will be the first chance to see the specifics of what the HPD team is including in the draft plan.
Please go, take notes and let us know what you learn.
The Edgemere Planning process does not necessarily mean housing. It means that HPD is consolidating all decisions being made about this area in that process. It means that we need to stay ACTIVE in the process.
That's not good news.The homeowners and residents in that area don't want any more housing in that community. We have a right too know what and whom your giving that land too. If you won't give the land too the people because of finical reasons than I will tell Pastor Eva too continue with her plans to purchase the land. Pastor Eva was going to buy the land ; it's heartbreaking when a church has to compete with developers.
P.S. Thank you for all of your help.
Thanks for following up. The site is not currently available, but will be considered as part of the Edgemere Planning process.
HPD is looking into the possibility of transferring this site. A call from the Council Member to HPD would be helpful to nudge things along.
From: "Goldberg, Arielle (HPD)" email@example.com
Subject: RE: Checking in on 5 new garden applications
Date: January 19, 2016 at 6:34:14 PM GMT-5
To: "'Paula Z. Segal, 596 Acres'" firstname.lastname@example.org
Cc: "Martinez, Carlos (Parks)" Carlos.Martinez@parks.nyc.gov
Happy New Year to you as well!
We still need to get more information on the site in Edgemere, so I will need to get back to you about that one.
At an in-person meeting at City Hall on December 30, 2015, Housing Preservation and Development Commissioner Vicki Been committed to reviewing this application and considering transferring this property to the NYC Parks Department for stewardship by volunteers as a GreenThumb community garden.
She also announced that 34 gardens other gardens on HPD land were being transferred to NYC Parks. More details here: http://596acres.org/news/2015/12/29/gardens-being-transferring-to-nyc-parks/ (15 of the gardens just transferred to become permanent Parks' gardens had been offered for sale to developers for $1 early in 2015; a year of organizing paid off!)
Come to Housing Preservation and Development's Second Visioning Session will be Saturday, December 12, 11am to 2pm, at the Beach 41st St Cornerstone Community Center.
Come have lunch, meet your neighbors and speak up for this garden-to-be and other community controlled resources where City officials are ready to listen!
Sarah , may god bless you , may you alway experience joy and happiness in abundance . May you alway see a rainbow after the rain. Thank you for giving the residence of the Far Rockaway your time and understanding.
We just brought the garden application to the attention of this advocate:
Sarah Currie-Halpern | Senior Policy Advisor
NYC Mayor's Office of Sustainability
253 Broadway - 7th floor | New York, NY 10007
O: 212-676-3067 | M: 646-265-2654
She is planning to help move this along. Drop her a note and thank her!
Want to help make sure that the Edgemere Coalition Community Garden is part of the plan for the future of the neighborhood? Come to Housing Preservation and Development's Visioning Session this Saturday, October 24, 11am to 2pm, at the Beach 41st St Cornerstone Community Center. Come have lunch, meet your neighbors and speak up for this garden-to-be and other community controlled resources where City officials are ready to listen!
I just talked to Isak Mendes, Brooklyn & Queens Outreach Coordinator, (212) 602-5314, (Isak.Mendes@parks.nyc.gov) about the progress here. He is going to make sure this application gets on GreenThumb Deputy Director Carlos Martinez's desk ASAP.
Alexis Smallwood said:
Portia and I will be meeting every week. We are waiting to have meeting with Issac. What did Greemthumb say?
Oct. 18, 2015, 12:57 a.m.
Paula at 596 acres said
Any further developments?
Oct. 8, 2015, 11:45 p.m.
This is awesome awesome news! Give Carlos a call tomorrow: Carlos Martinez, Deputy Director, GreenThumb (212) 602-5329, Carlos.Martinez@parks.nyc.gov and let us know how it goes!
Oct. 8, 2015, 10:12 p.m.
Alexis Smallwood said
Pastor Vegas, Portia Dyrenforth (Administrator) from Parks Departmemt and I had a great meeting. We just have to work closely with Greenthumb to get a key and lease from HPD. I would like to thank Portia Dyrenforth for lending a helping hand!
Aug. 14, 2015, 7:29 p.m.
Alexis Smallwood said
I've learned that you have to stay in contact with elected officials, government agency's and keeping the community involved. Am also keeping my faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Alexis plans to meet Portia Dyrenforth (Rockaways Administrator for NYC Parks, (718) 318-4000) at the lot tomorrow, Wednesday, October 7 at 3pm. Join them!
The meeting with Richard's new Chief of Staff went great. They asked for 2 weeks to figure out what they could do. Will follow up on 7/31!!
The Council Member has agreed to a meeting next week: July 14 at 10:30am. 1931 Mott Avenue, Suite 410 Far Rockaway, NY 11691. See you there!
Alexis told me that Sanitation cleaned the lot (yes!) but took down all the signs (no!!!). She's going to follow up with the Council Member today.
From: Mary Elizabeth Prall email@example.com
Date: Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:16 PM
Subject: Help creating community growing space in Edgemere
Cc: Stephen Cooper firstname.lastname@example.org, Alexis Smallwood email@example.com, 596 Acres firstname.lastname@example.org
Council Member Richards,
I'm writing on behalf of two Edgemere residents who have been working to open respective community growing spaces on City-owned land in their neighborhood. Steve Cooper and Alexis Smallwood, who are CC'd on this email, have been gathering abundant resident support for their projects, both of which are focused on properties under the jurisdiction of Housing Preservation and Development:
315 Beach 46th, Queens block 15837, lot 12 (http://livinglotsnyc.org/lot/4158370012/, Steve Cooper organizing)
357 Beach 43rd, Queens block 15834, lots 38, 42 (http://livinglotsnyc.org/lot/58285/, Alexis Smallwood, organizing)
Although both projects are additionally supported by the community board and local civics and churches, the recent reversal of the standard policy of HPD issuing interim-use licenses for community use has halted the implementation of both these projects. We would love if we could meet with you to talk about how we can help these groups move forward the process of gaining access, and more broadly perhaps, how to continue to allow vacant, public property awaiting develop to remain a resource to the communities of Rockaway.
Mary Elizabeth Prall
Organizer | 596 Acres' NYC Community Land Access Project
596 Acres, Inc.
540 President Street, 2E
Gowanus, Brooklyn NY 11215
718-316-6092 x 3
We got a phone call from a man named Norm Silverman who is on the board of the Bayswood Civic Association. He saw the signs on the lot and got really excited, he wants to sign the petition! I mentioned that he could talk to the rest of the board about writing a letter of support...
PS. I spoke to Mr. Gaska at the Community Board on Monday. He confirmed that the letter in support of this garden to HPD was sent out! Woohoo! I'm waiting for him to scan and send me a copy, and I'll post it here.
This Sunday, June 14th
At the lot!
12 pm to 4 pm
We'll be gathering more signatures! And looking for some folks who want to sell or share art, crafts, plants, food, whatever!
At last night's full Community Board 14 meeting, we made a presentation about the status of the proposal for a temporary garden on these lots. The status is that HPD has stopped granting temporary licenses without any overt review of the policy.
Community Board 14's District Manager and Chair committed to having the board write a letter to HPD as soon as possible, urging the agency to release the lots and allow the garden to move forward this season if possible.
The Edgemere Coalition Garden / 596 Acres will hopefully be on the agenda for next full board meeting of Queens Community Board 14 on May 12th. We're hoping the board will take a vote on either the resolution or a letter to the administration in support of the garden.
I connected Alexis with an architect/engineering student named Katy who is going to create a drawing of the space to add to the proposal!
Also, here's a letter from Zac recently sent to Al from the Community Board:
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From: Zack Rosen email@example.com
Date: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: update from cb14 land use committee meeting
To: aldean moore firstname.lastname@example.org
Cc: "Paula Z. Segal, 596 Acres" email@example.com, Alexis Smallwood firstname.lastname@example.org, Mary Elizabeth Prall email@example.com
Below are two documents CB14 can consider, edit, and sign to support the Edgemere Coalition Garden. The first is a letter to the mayor's office explaining the benefits of the project, outlining HPD's policy on interim use of lots under its jurisdiction and the recent history of communities successfully converting lots into gardens on a temporary basis, and requesting that HPD issue an interim use license for the garden, in keeping with its official policy. The second is a proposal the board could consider and pass at its meeting on the 14th advising that HPD issue an interim use license for the Edgemere Coalition Garden.
Dear Mayor de Blasio,
We are writing to express our support for the Edgemere Coalition Garden (ECG), a coalition of neighbors, churchgoers, and community organizers in Edgemere, Queens that hopes to create a community garden in lots 38 and 42, block 15834. The lots are currently owned by Housing, Preservation, and Development (HPD) under the Edgemere Urban Renewal Plan, but there are no immediate plans for development and new development on the Rockaway Peninsula is on hold pending completion of an Army Corps of Engineers study. ECG would use the lots temporarily as a garden until HPD is ready to move forward with development. Community Board 14 has reviewed ECG’s proposal and believes that the garden would benefit the community in providing fresh, affordable, local produce, enhancing the resiliency of the city’s infrastructure in the instance of extreme weather events, and offering a space for constructive recreation and education about the environmental processes impacting the Rockaway peninsula and the restorative role that urban agriculture can play in those processes. We request that HPD issue ECG an interim use license for block 15834, lots 38 and 42.
EDGEMERE COALITION GARDEN
A garden in Edgemere would offer several tangible benefits to the community. It would give Edgemere residents an opportunity to grow and harvest their own fruits and vegetables in an area with scant access to affordable, fresh produce at local markets. Eventually, gardeners hope to source produce for a juice bar, farmer’s market, and local restaurants.
The garden would also supplement local public education by providing a space for a hands-on introduction to urban ecology. Organizers hope to create an ecological education initiative whereby local youth would practice horticultural and agricultural skills while learning about how urban agriculture can counterbalance greenhouse gas emissions and the long-distance consumption patterns that contribute to fossil-fuel dependency, as well as mitigating the impact of extreme weather events that are likely to increase in the coming decades as a result of global warming. Organizers aspire to create a garden that will relieve some of the burden from the city’s infrastructure through storm-water absorption and rain-water catchment. Whereas existing infrastructure is designed to redirect storm-water runoff into sewers, which are prone to overflowing, urban gardens can play an important role in making use of, rather than competing with, natural processes. Students will learn about the importance of transforming the urban landscape into one that coexists with and co-relates to the natural world.
The garden would play an important role in helping a community still reeling from Hurricane Sandy come to terms with its agency in offering a model for the kinds of social relations that can continue to sustain recovery and the restorative relation to the land that can reverse the environmentally destructive processes that decimated life two years ago and are projected to continue to do so in the coming years and decades.
Full Gospel Tabernacle, which is located adjacent to lot 38, is supportive of ECG creating a community garden in the lot and would use the space for food pantry services it currently provides as well as movie nights and barbecues.
HPD'S GARDEN POLICY
Since 2011, it has been standard practice for HPD to issue interim use licenses to community groups seeking to fill the holes in their neighborhoods with gardens and community spaces while the final dispositions for those sites are determined. Some of these sites have been developed as extremely successful open community spaces and have subsequently been transferred to the Parks Department for permanent preservation. Others shut down when a developer is ready to close with HPD and move forward with building construction where a determination is made that housing development would serve more important community needs.
A SUDDEN REVERSAL
We are reaching out to you directly because HPD has announced that no more interim use licenses will be issued for lots in HPD’s inventory. This new policy is a sudden reversal of a practice that has been working well to fill the holes in our neighborhoods. Its implementation will directly prevent the creation of the Edgemere Coalition Garden, which Community Board 14 would like to see realized as soon as possible.
We urge your office to retain the successful policy of allowing temporary gardens and community open spaces on vacant public land. Specifically, we believe that every opportunity should be reviewed individually and that land should be made available for community use until a final disposition becomes a reality.
Over the past three years, 596 Acres has successfully facilitated the creation of 32 new community spaces that fill our publicly owned vacant lots. Of those, eighteen currently have interim use agreements with HPD and are ready to shut down should the determination be made that housing development on the site is a better alternative for the local community. In the meantime, children have places to play, fresh food is growing, murals and other forms of local expression are being created and neighbors are getting to know one another by creating their own pieces of the city together.
Five other community spaces that 596 Acres helped bring into being started as pilot projects on City land in HPD jurisdiction with interim use licenses and have since been transferred to the Parks Department after proving to be valuable new community open space resources. The Beach 45th Street Community Farm in Rockaway is also on land that, despite being mapped as Parks/Open Space in the Edgemere Urban Renewal Plan, was in the inventory of HPD prior to the community organizing to actually create the open space. The land was transferred from HPD to Parks when neighbors were ready to start growing there. If HPD had foreclosed the opportunity to create community spaces on all land in its inventory, none of these spaces would exists today.
SPACE IS AVAILABLE FOR GROWING NOW
Holding the land hostage while financing and other details for future development are negotiated does not make sense for our communities and certainly does not make sense. Doing so will rob the community of a year that children can be playing and learning and developing skills that will stay with them for life. A policy that encourages keeping public lots vacant is one that reduces opportunities in for the neighborhoods that are most underserved by open space as it is.
(Second Option: a proposal the CB could consider:)
Vote: Title: Community Board 14 resolution requesting that Housing Preservation and Development (HPD) issue an interim use license for use of Block 15834, lots 38 and 42 by the Edgemere Coalition Community Garden, in keeping with HPD’s previously stated intention to do so.
Whereas, HPD has previously stated that they are supportive of the Edgemere Coalition Community Garden obtaining an interim use license for lots 38 and 42. Full Gospel Tabernacle, which is located adjacent to lot 38, is also supportive of the project. City Councilman Donovan Richards has expressed his support for the project.
Whereas, HPD has stated that it will not undertake new development on public land on the Rockaway peninsula pending completion of an Army Corps of Engineers study.
Whereas, the Edgemere Urban Renewal Plan predates the Army Corps of Engineers study; the Plan was adopted in 1997 and expires in 2037. The plan and the advisability of building on the peninsula has not been reviewed since Hurricane Sandy, and the need for community gardens as spaces that enhance the resiliency of urban infrastructure (by mitigating storm water runoff and counterbalancing carbon emissions, for instance) is especially salient given projections of increasingly frequent extreme weather events in the coming years as a result of global warming. Years or decades could pass with no residential or commercial development on Lots 38 and 42 and no interim use of the lots due to an outdated plan for development that is precluded by the ACE study and ought to be de-prioritized given the increasing frequency of extreme weather events in the years ahead.
Whereas, HPD’s recently announced discontinuation of its policy of issuing interim uselicenses for vacant lots under its jurisdiction has not been subject to any review or scrutiny on the part of other city agencies or the publics affected by this policy. If HPD maintains its stance of not issuing an interim use license for lots 38 and 42, the board requests that the City Council schedule a public forum to review HPD’s discontinuation of interim use licenses and more broadly its policy with regard to lots under its jurisdiction.
Organizers are on the agenda for the Rockaway Community Board 14 Land Use Committee meeting on Tuesday, March 24th at 7 pm at the Knights of Columbus Hall (333 Beach 90th Street near Beach Channel Drive). While Community Board 14 has already formally issued support for this garden, organizers are asking the board to stand with them in asking the Mayor's office to reconsider HPD's new and never-reviewed policy of not issuing licenses through GreenThumb - a policy which is hindering this group from gaining access to their space. Call or email Alexis (whose info is posted along the right side of this page) to get looped in!
I heard Alexis got her letter of support from the Community Board!!!!!!!!! Next up: pulling all the GreenThumb application requirements together:
- a mission statement
- letters of support from local organizations, churches, schools
- a birds eye view drawing of the space
- at least 10 members (names, addresses, phone numbers)
- the helpful signatures of neighbors who simply 'support' the project
- that letter of support Alexis worked so hard for!
I spoke with Maria from the daycare on Beach 43rd, just north of this lot. She was formerly interested in starting her own garden (here http://596acres.org/en/lot/4159600016/), but would love to team up with this one instead! She can help wrap up the application, or just make plans for the daycare to participate in this space in the future.
Alexis - Ms. Grenada will be calling you! You should put her on your list of supporting local organizations! Here's her number also: 347-481-0452
Alexis is getting a letter! Woohoo! Next up: just wrapping up the application and sending it to GreenThumb.
Alexis (listed above as an organizer) has already presented to Queens Community Board 14 once, and they requested that she get a letter of support from the civic association that covers Beach 31st to 47th. She's working on it!
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I heard from John (an organizer above) that the group is gearing up to make an announcement at their next community board meeting: Tuesday, September 9th. Hopefully from their the board can issue a letter of support or give the group instructions on what next steps they need to take to get one!
I spoke to Rasheed Hislop, Deputy Director of GreenThumb. HPD let him know that while development is planned for this lot, it's been delayed. HPD would consider an interim-use garden here!!!!
We had a great meeting! John showed his draft of a proposal complete with a sketch! Heather and John are planning on going door to door on a Saturday and gather a list of supporters and possible members. They'll also be reaching out for letters of support from the councilmember's office, local schools, and nearby organizations.
WE'RE HOLDING A MEETING
John, Heather from Hillsong that leads the volunteer group at Edgemere Organic Farm, myself, and other volunteers are meeting next Wednesday, July 2nd at 5:30 pm in front of the lot.
John and I got this email response from Rasheed Hislop, Deputy Director at GreenThumb:
Thanks for the introduction – I will get in touch with HPD to see about this site.
Nice to make your e-acquaintance John, sounds like great work you are doing.
I will be in touch within 1 week to let you know about the status of this site."
The neighbor John said, "I called the woman and left a message twice regarding the lot across the church."
Yesterday we hung new signs on this lot! A neighbor named John who helped us took a bunch of our broadsheets to hand out to folks at the Full Gospel Tabernacle across the street.
Come label lots with us in Edgemere! We'll be meeting at Edgemere Organic Farm (http://596acres.org/en/lot/4158370033/) and then hanging signs on vacant public land and chattin' with neighbors!
Lot Labeling in Edgemere
Wednesday, May 21 from 3:45 p.m. to 5:45 p.m.
At located at Beach 46 and Beach Channel Drive, Rockaway
Check out this piece on Brian Leher TV with Ashley - http://www.cuny.tv/show/brianlehrer/PR2002834
I would suggest calling GreenThumb and letting them know you are working on this ASAP so that it is not a surprise for them!
I spoke with Gloria Farell at HPD, who works for Charles Marcus. She said that the area is slated for development and that she is not sure that we would get approved since often the community tends to get attached to a space once it's used for a garden/other project. I reiterated that it is temporary, and we're looking to set something up for this summer and we would all understand that it's just until the city is ready to move. I did tell her that it has been vacant for 10 years.. I just estimated on about how long I have been going to the church next door. It's probably longer that that (will find out). She suggested we draft up a proposal in writing and send it to Charles Marcus' office. He would give us approval. Next steps-- drafting the proposal and sharing it with the community members and getting folks on board. Then redrafting and sending off to Charles Marcus. We also need to look into the Green Thumb license also so that we can include that information in the proposal. Thoughts?
Immediate next step is writing up the proposal and getting others on board, because my schedule does not permit to do this alone.
It seems like it's time to get this lot liberated and into productive community use! Let us know how we can support!
Nice article by inhabitat.com
Main photo is of this lot!
"596 Acres Uses Thought-Provoking Signage to Notify New Yorkers to Take Back Their Public Land
by Ayasha Guerin, 09/06/12"
Seems to match Queens block 15834, lot 42 (same location). I'm watching both. I think it would be the perfect place for a community garden :)
It seems like this lot is in the same location as Queens block 15834, lot 38. Like perhaps its one large square. I think it's the perfect place for a community garden :)